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		<title>By: Revue du web &#124; Manager une communauté</title>
		<link>http://community-roundtable.com/2009/09/a-community-a-network-an-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>Revue du web &#124; Manager une communauté</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: What do the words community, network, and group mean to you? &#124; WeTheCitizens Wildfire Platform</title>
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		<dc:creator>What do the words community, network, and group mean to you? &#124; WeTheCitizens Wildfire Platform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of my coworkers, MD, passed around an interesting article this morning. It argues that the terms community and network are often incorrectly applied to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel Happe</title>
		<link>http://community-roundtable.com/2009/09/a-community-a-network-an-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Happe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments - it is a really hairy topic.  And while I agree large brands who need large networks want to drive trust in their products, it is a different type of trust - i.e. I can trust that Apple is going to give me a well designed, hip product.  I may not trust that they will respond individually if I try calling their customer support line or that they won&#039;t try to sell me something for an big profit because even if I go to a genius bar and get something fixed (and I&#039;ve had very good service from Apple so... not bashing them here), I don&#039;t really have a relationship to anyone at Apple and, in fact, as the user of a consumer good, it is not worth it to me to invest in a relationship with Apple either. Relationships are expensive to both parties.

I guess my point here is that there is a continuum of what it means to trust and the more complex the product and the more critical it is to me personally or for my business, the more I want to have a pretty deep relationship with the company that provides the product/service and their other customers. 

Getting back to the group, community, network, ecosystem - I see that as a continuum of trust as well - kind of like a marketing funnel. But Tamsen, I think you are right that there is a matrix and there is another overlay to what it means to be a group/community/etc. - it maybe a &quot;if A + B, than Z&quot; but &quot;if A than null&quot; (sorry being a bit wonky here).

A lot to ponder - and I certainly don&#039;t have the definitive answer and, in fact, from a business perspective I would say the person that manages any of those types of things (often called a community or social media manager) uses many of the same techniques but may prioritize their activities a bit differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments &#8211; it is a really hairy topic.  And while I agree large brands who need large networks want to drive trust in their products, it is a different type of trust &#8211; i.e. I can trust that Apple is going to give me a well designed, hip product.  I may not trust that they will respond individually if I try calling their customer support line or that they won&#8217;t try to sell me something for an big profit because even if I go to a genius bar and get something fixed (and I&#8217;ve had very good service from Apple so&#8230; not bashing them here), I don&#8217;t really have a relationship to anyone at Apple and, in fact, as the user of a consumer good, it is not worth it to me to invest in a relationship with Apple either. Relationships are expensive to both parties.</p>
<p>I guess my point here is that there is a continuum of what it means to trust and the more complex the product and the more critical it is to me personally or for my business, the more I want to have a pretty deep relationship with the company that provides the product/service and their other customers. </p>
<p>Getting back to the group, community, network, ecosystem &#8211; I see that as a continuum of trust as well &#8211; kind of like a marketing funnel. But Tamsen, I think you are right that there is a matrix and there is another overlay to what it means to be a group/community/etc. &#8211; it maybe a &#8220;if A + B, than Z&#8221; but &#8220;if A than null&#8221; (sorry being a bit wonky here).</p>
<p>A lot to ponder &#8211; and I certainly don&#8217;t have the definitive answer and, in fact, from a business perspective I would say the person that manages any of those types of things (often called a community or social media manager) uses many of the same techniques but may prioritize their activities a bit differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamsen (@tamadear)</title>
		<link>http://community-roundtable.com/2009/09/a-community-a-network-an-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamsen (@tamadear)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you might have a matrix forming! I think there&#039;s enormous utility in articulating these collections of people in terms of how they relate to each other--at the same time, there are clearly going to be different levels of engagement (the &quot;degree of quality and connection&quot;) that Heather notes even within the various types.

I&#039;d be curious to hear Jon&#039;s and Heather&#039;s thoughts on how they&#039;d define those various levels...and even more curious to see how those could intersect with the term you outline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you might have a matrix forming! I think there&#8217;s enormous utility in articulating these collections of people in terms of how they relate to each other&#8211;at the same time, there are clearly going to be different levels of engagement (the &#8220;degree of quality and connection&#8221;) that Heather notes even within the various types.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be curious to hear Jon&#8217;s and Heather&#8217;s thoughts on how they&#8217;d define those various levels&#8230;and even more curious to see how those could intersect with the term you outline.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel,

I agree with the other comments - nice work on taking a first stab at this - how would you characterize a &#039;back-channel&#039; community, such as one that forms around hashtags on Twitter for conferences/summits, etc?

Clearly, there are going to be some in that community who know each other, a lot that probably don&#039;t, and some that come into the community after the fact and are just surfing through the artifacts.

The reason I ask is I&#039;ve been thinking a lot lately about how these &#039;tidal wave&#039; communities form, disperse, and then toss their info remnants to the shore to be picked up later.  

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel,</p>
<p>I agree with the other comments &#8211; nice work on taking a first stab at this &#8211; how would you characterize a &#8216;back-channel&#8217; community, such as one that forms around hashtags on Twitter for conferences/summits, etc?</p>
<p>Clearly, there are going to be some in that community who know each other, a lot that probably don&#8217;t, and some that come into the community after the fact and are just surfing through the artifacts.</p>
<p>The reason I ask is I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot lately about how these &#8216;tidal wave&#8217; communities form, disperse, and then toss their info remnants to the shore to be picked up later.  </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: DR. WHAW? &#8211; September 9, 2009 &#171; One true sentence.</title>
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		<dc:creator>DR. WHAW? &#8211; September 9, 2009 &#171; One true sentence.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: heather gold</title>
		<link>http://community-roundtable.com/2009/09/a-community-a-network-an-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>heather gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rachel,

I think it&#039;s great that you took a crack at this. 

While I agree with your intent behind saying &quot;it&#039;s not about content it&#039;s about relationships,&quot; (yes the word community is thrown around meaninglessly) I think Jon has an important point. The degree and quality of connection matters a great deal and is the least measure-able thing. This gives businesspeople agita.

Trust and reliability are major goals. I think they are even goals for big companies saying they just want awareness and visibility. Really? Do they want a lot of visibility because their product poisoned someone? 

I think the language getting mushed up is part of us all getting much more aware that we all often mean different things when we say stuff. The only way to get clear on whether or not we are meaning the same thing is a lot of checking in and trust building. 

The web and business are just revealing our relational nature to people who have lived in their left brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rachel,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great that you took a crack at this. </p>
<p>While I agree with your intent behind saying &#8220;it&#8217;s not about content it&#8217;s about relationships,&#8221; (yes the word community is thrown around meaninglessly) I think Jon has an important point. The degree and quality of connection matters a great deal and is the least measure-able thing. This gives businesspeople agita.</p>
<p>Trust and reliability are major goals. I think they are even goals for big companies saying they just want awareness and visibility. Really? Do they want a lot of visibility because their product poisoned someone? </p>
<p>I think the language getting mushed up is part of us all getting much more aware that we all often mean different things when we say stuff. The only way to get clear on whether or not we are meaning the same thing is a lot of checking in and trust building. </p>
<p>The web and business are just revealing our relational nature to people who have lived in their left brains.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hurt</title>
		<link>http://community-roundtable.com/2009/09/a-community-a-network-an-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking a stab at this. 

As a meeting and event professional and a nonprofit employee, I would put a different spin on these definitions. 

Group - any number of members (members of a community, a nonprofit, a network, etc.) considered a unit.

Audience - could mean a lot of things. My audience at a face-to-face event actually does have relationships with each other, as they are typically the members of our nonprofit association. They&#039;ve gathered to be spectators, listeners and participants with our content and our content experts. And, they are all related as they work in the same industry so they know each other. Sometimes our audience experiences the same content. Sometimes segments of our audience experience the same content in smaller groups. Sometimes they don&#039;t. Our community is our audience.

Network - for us it is an interconnected system of people, not defined by physical location. We also believe that education is moving to networked learning, horizontal, collaborative, peer-to-peer sharing.

Ecosystem - for us our face-to-face meetings and our virtual experiences are all part of a larger ecosystem that connects with the members of our community. Sometimes we help our network connect with each other. Each virtual or face-to-face event is one touchpoint with a larger context of our community and our association&#039;s mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking a stab at this. </p>
<p>As a meeting and event professional and a nonprofit employee, I would put a different spin on these definitions. </p>
<p>Group &#8211; any number of members (members of a community, a nonprofit, a network, etc.) considered a unit.</p>
<p>Audience &#8211; could mean a lot of things. My audience at a face-to-face event actually does have relationships with each other, as they are typically the members of our nonprofit association. They&#8217;ve gathered to be spectators, listeners and participants with our content and our content experts. And, they are all related as they work in the same industry so they know each other. Sometimes our audience experiences the same content. Sometimes segments of our audience experience the same content in smaller groups. Sometimes they don&#8217;t. Our community is our audience.</p>
<p>Network &#8211; for us it is an interconnected system of people, not defined by physical location. We also believe that education is moving to networked learning, horizontal, collaborative, peer-to-peer sharing.</p>
<p>Ecosystem &#8211; for us our face-to-face meetings and our virtual experiences are all part of a larger ecosystem that connects with the members of our community. Sometimes we help our network connect with each other. Each virtual or face-to-face event is one touchpoint with a larger context of our community and our association&#8217;s mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Happe</title>
		<link>http://community-roundtable.com/2009/09/a-community-a-network-an-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Happe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon - thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.

Building relationships requires interaction, communication, and engagement so... yes, different types of groupings with different degrees of relationship density imply very different levels of engagement. I believe it&#039;s the relationships, however, that are the main determinate of level of trust and deepness of engagement. Again, that may not be what a company needs - if a big B2C is looking for awareness and visibility, a high relationship density is not important but a broad network is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon &#8211; thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.</p>
<p>Building relationships requires interaction, communication, and engagement so&#8230; yes, different types of groupings with different degrees of relationship density imply very different levels of engagement. I believe it&#8217;s the relationships, however, that are the main determinate of level of trust and deepness of engagement. Again, that may not be what a company needs &#8211; if a big B2C is looking for awareness and visibility, a high relationship density is not important but a broad network is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Michaeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Michaeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rightly or wrongly, I assumed the term definitions would imply different degrees of interaction/communication/engagement rather than primarily focus on the extent to which the people know each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rightly or wrongly, I assumed the term definitions would imply different degrees of interaction/communication/engagement rather than primarily focus on the extent to which the people know each other.</p>
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